Ju-nos? Ju-Care?
Some Canadian music industry people are pissed because Cold Play and the Black-Eyed Peas will be playing at this year's Junos. I guess that might matter if anyone other than some Canadian music industry people actually watched the Junos. Canadian artists typically figure large at the Grammy's, but you don't hear Americans grumbling about it -- which is a miracle considering they are, um, Americans.
But do the Junos really need more Canadiana? Isn't that like saying the Liberal leadership race needs to ratchet up the drool and snore factor; or Rita McNeil needs more exposure; or Rex Murphy needs to look a little more like a disturbed killer?
Apparently, some indie people think the Junos are all about ratings and not talent. Newflash to all you post-modern alt-indie black on black wearing vampires: That's why they call it pop
music. Listen, I despise award shows, Canadian and American Idol and pretty much all pop music, but business is business. God forbid Canadians should try to build a world-class talent hierarchy here and produce shows that mimic the corporate pop-glitz shite that originates south of the border. You don't have to like it, but millions of zombie teen-adults love Nickelback. Face it: People can't get enough shite.
Anyway, grumbling is what you get from the stomach of a country spoon-fed upon the bland public gruel that is a CBC diet.
But do the Junos really need more Canadiana? Isn't that like saying the Liberal leadership race needs to ratchet up the drool and snore factor; or Rita McNeil needs more exposure; or Rex Murphy needs to look a little more like a disturbed killer?
Apparently, some indie people think the Junos are all about ratings and not talent. Newflash to all you post-modern alt-indie black on black wearing vampires: That's why they call it pop
music. Listen, I despise award shows, Canadian and American Idol and pretty much all pop music, but business is business. God forbid Canadians should try to build a world-class talent hierarchy here and produce shows that mimic the corporate pop-glitz shite that originates south of the border. You don't have to like it, but millions of zombie teen-adults love Nickelback. Face it: People can't get enough shite.
Anyway, grumbling is what you get from the stomach of a country spoon-fed upon the bland public gruel that is a CBC diet.
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I might be in the minority but:
I hate award shows and don't think they should exist for music, movies, muffins, or anything. It's not about cred, it's about blowing their own horn.
While I will support anything Canadian, why force a show to exist? If the music scene is quiet one year, then they're obligated to still award trophies to medicore bands/musicians? That's not right.
Another example would be the Walk-of-Fame in Toronto. What happens when we celebrate all the famous/successful people in a few years? We'll be then awarding sidewalk stars to good bus drivers or big donators.
Nope, not for me. Give me a good solid music scene, omit the Junos, and let's all do it for the love of music.
Good post except for the unnecessary slam against the CBC.
CBC radio, mainly through Radio 3, does more to promote local bands and talent than anyone else in the country. They play far less bland crap than the local Rogers or Corus stations.
CBC's one of the least culpable media outlets for pop gruel in Canada.
Chris- I apologize. I was generalizing - and really should have said CBC television. I agree wholeheartedly with you re: CBC radio. CBC TV progamming decisions seem to be twisted and incomprehensible.
Juno what? I think you'd be singing a different tune if Mitsou was up for any awards.
But seriously, do you think this black lipstick is too much?
Two things, K-Dough:
One - Radio 2 is sinking and no one knows how to swim. Freestyle? Did we all snack on eletrical cords as children?
Two - the Idols shows rule! Get a 3 year old and you'll see: kids love singing. I get to watch my daughter dance with her improvised microphone while Mendessa belts out whatever.
Give me Idols, over CSIs anyday.
CBC television? That's a different story!
Two words for their problem: Robert Rabinovich!
Pam: Mitsou is up for an award-
K-Dough's Golden Gravy Pole Award(tm), for most scintillating Canadian TV personality of the decade. Benmergui ran a close second, but you know, gotta go with the gooch.
Chucker: I have a 1.5 year old who will never have her soul rent asunder by that mass consumption, democratized musical crap they regurgitate on those shows. The closest she gets is the DoodleBops! And if she wants to sing she just says to Daddy "tar, tar" and I pick up my axe, and grind out a country version of "You Are My Sunshine" and everyone is happy.
Chris:A couple more words for their problem:
Air Farce
The National - replayed every hour of every day.
Don Cherry
Don Newman
and on and on and on.....
Chucker, you're right about radio 2. They've embraced the Bocelli set, and try too hard to be all things to all the people who aren't interested in Radio 2 anyway. They have old rich women's clothing stores as their target market.
However, you have to thank radio 2 for showing us how much lame, unoffensive, uninteresting jazz is out there being played at bars and clubs across Canada.
K dough, the list could go on and on...
K-Dough,
me gots an organ in the basement (clean thoughts everyone!). that's where the children dance away to Chuckercanuck's mega-hits in waiting. Johnny Chino, look out, Chuckercanuck does a mean Supertramp.
chris,
what it taught me though, is that the moniker "classical" doesn't mean "quality".
K-Dough,
please tell me Disney is off your list too.
Chucker, no it doesn't!
If you want musical sophistication and quality in children's programming, the Backyardigans is the show to watch!
oh, the backyardigans plays non-stop in our house. except when Bob wants to build something or the Wiggles want to creep us out.
Chucker- Supertramp? Really? For some reason I think of Tories as sounding more baritone than falsetto. You know, the voice of moral authority and all. I'm sorry for stereotyping you. I bet the kids would to hear you cut loose on some sweet Bee Gees material too!
There is so much lame, traditional jazz being played. It's sickening. We need more Jaco, Stanley Clarke, Chick Korea, Dimeola and less mediocre, mainstream dinner music.
Now you knock the Bee Gees? I wish I had half their no.1 songs.
In fact, whenever I come to this site, I can't help thinking:
How deep is your love? How deep is, how deep is you love? I really need to know. Cause were living in a world of fools, bringing us down, when they all should let us beeeeee. We belong to you and me. Do, do, do, do...
It maybe frikkin' cold outside, but its springtime in my heart.
The Wiggles are freaks- but so are all British kids shows. Backyardigans- very cute.
But the DoddleBops rock! You gotta check 'em out. We are taking our daughter to see them live next nmonth- front row seats! The girl reminds me of SuperChick (Kaptain Kool and the Kongs) from the Krofft Supershow in the 70s. Anyone remember that?
Chuckey- too funny man. Next thing, you'll be breakin' out the Aaron Neville.
K-Dough -
The Wiggles are aussies. In fact, they are the best-selling Aussies in the history of that nation - wrap your head around that one, INXS.
Call me a toothless old fogey, but I lost any interest in pop music/stuff kids like/music and television when those "boy bands" started becoming popular eons ago, and there was nary a musical instrument in sight. When kids refer to a pre-recorded, choreographed, lip-synched presentation as a "concert" it still makes me shudder.
I'm all for big production...certainly a bunch of drugged out rockers noodling endlessly in a jam-from-hell does not rate highly on my list of things to watch, but I hate when people mistake "entertainment" for depth or artistry.
Those "Idol" shows and award shows are misleading. Case in point: The last few Canadian Idol winners rehearsed for their "tours" in my humble studio, along with various veterans of the Canadian rock scene (all hired guns to help out kids who have never played a "real show' in their lives.)
After all that singing in front of a mirror, with Karaoke machines, and ,of course, winning the "Canadian Idol" competition, they have to go out on the road, and do it for real....with real musicians, dicey monitors, show after show after show...and these poor kids almost wither and die before the first two weeks have passed. The irony of seeing old musician friends of mine, some of who can barely afford rent, helping out these "Canadian Idols" is never lost on me.
Re: award shows....being nominated and/or winning a Juno is good for getting publicity, and getting your gig price up for a good year, so good for them. The award itself is quite meaningless, I agree with peter (first poster)it is entirely about the industry blowing their horn, and little else.
Why does anyone have a problem about Cold-Play? We had Milli Vanilli "perform" at a Junos in the late eighties.
Chucker: I can see it now. One of the Wiggles dies in a whore house, by auto-erotic asphixiation and strung out on heroine. The obvious happens: Rockstar: Wiggles is produced and millions try out for their reality show chance at becoming the next faceless, ambigously pedophilic Wiggle. Of course, Pee Wee Herman beats out(off?)the competition to win the top job.
Leather- I hear ya. Have a few friends producing records for the runners up from Canadian Idol. At least it's a lottery pool for Canadian song writers. But what it says about our society makes me sick.
Oh Yeah, another thing that bothers me about "Idol"....let's have some perspective on how "successful" they really are.
The last winner sold about 200,000 copies. Let's see....Canadian Idol is watched by about seven million people....so seven million people watched this guy sing on TV every week, and after he won the competition, 6,800,000 of those viewers didn't think he was good enough to shell out twenty bucks for.
Then you've got some great indie band playing the bars, developing a cult following, then having their self-produced cd get a distribution deal and sell a breathtaking 50,000 copies. Artistry, talent and fairness aside, who do you think has a brighter future? Who would you rather be?
Leather- Who would I rather be? I'd rather be the one true to his expression and not selling out. But integrity is all in the eye of the beholder. And when your biggest career highlight to date is screeching Britney's Oops I Did It Again into a $3 hair brush in front of your mirror, integrity takes on an entirely different semantic.
I fucking hate pop culture. But without it, there would be no angst against it, and thus, no counter- or sub-culture. We're all part of a complex artistic ecosystem. Without human algae we would all die.
Leatherhands:
Two things.
One.
I love Stevie Wonder (I'm dark chocolate with a white chocolate coating). I love watching the Idol contestants butcher his music so I can turn to my family and say, "see, Stevie Wonder make Paul McCartney look like piffle."
Two.
You have a recording studio? Be'jesus, I see the start of the next big boy band:
Rockin' Bloggers. You on drums. K-Dough on lead guitar. Chucker at the synth. Pam - can you sing? Oh wait, your a girl. You get to show up at the concert.
I've got this great first song:
A doo-whop version of Saint-Seans "Softly My Heart Awakes". I'm telling you - its a no.1 hit that no one's thought about.
We can also do a song I wrote in my lonely days in Labrador called:
Salt-beef Gulag.
K-Dough,
"piffle"
no clue. I know it means its a classy way of being dismissive.
Salt Beef Gulag is a True Piece of Chuckercanuckia.
I present the closing lines:
Should the devil drop by, I think I'll cut him a deal,
Get me out of this town, my soul is yours to steal,
Get me out of this town, that would be swell,
To get out of this town, I'd gladly rot in hell.
Cause I'm bored.
So bored I feel like piercing my toungue with a 6 foot sword.
My life's a bitter joke,
I can't wait to croak.
Cause right now, I'm god-damned bored.
Chucker- are you pretending again?
On another topic- I've done some mathematical calculations. You said you have a 3 year old and an organ. You live in Quebec, are rightish and worship Barry Gibb. Based on my numbers, that makes you 83 years old, Phillipino and transexual. How far off am I?
Wow- you are like a northern Iggy Pop- Igloo Pop.
Igloo Pop, Chairman of the Bored.
K-Dough,
so close. I'm indonesian. But, that still deserves a prize!
Rockin' Bloggers. Sure, I'll be your groupie (once I'm doing touring with Shit From Hell).
You know, I was at the Junos a few years ago and had a really good time. I'm not a pop music fan, but I think Canadian music overall has improved over the past 15 years or so.
I have a friend who is up for a Juno this year on the tech side. For him it's pretty cool.
Pam- re: your comments about the industry. The industry itself sucks shit. In general, it's the same ole weak-kneed decision makers dropping the ball. Multi-nationals are merely outposts for US companies. Big Canadian acts these days sign in the states first or we'd never have heard of them.
The talent has always been here. It's just that the Americans are finally exploiting it.
Just don't forget it when it's time for Rockin' Bloggers to sign their first big contract. I'd hate to see you and chuckers "exploited". I think it would make you both feel cheap. It's all in your hands, boys.
Pam- for the record, I like feeling cheap. The cheaper the better. I also like being exploited, as long as I'm satisfying one or more of my myriad needs in return.
In the end, we are all exploited in some way. Might as well enjoy it.
yeah,
I have to come out in favor of looking cheap. Its about all I can do.
Now, if someone could find me a male-version of Belinda's St-Patty's suit, then I'd look ready for my glamrock role.
"But the DoddleBops rock! You gotta check 'em out. We are taking our daughter to see them live next nmonth- front row seats!"
K-Dough,
You're actually going to sit through a Doodlebops concert? Wow! You're a good dad.
It' exactly that kind of sacrifice that that make me sooooooo glad to be gay.
Hey guys,
Glad to see a bloggers band forming in my absence...I vote for the name "fuck-mouth."
BTW K-dough, re: Chuckers use of the word "Piffle" I distinctly remember that word used many years ago in a Rolling Stone review of a Michael McDonald album. Laughed my ass off.
Fuck Mouth is nice, but way too obvious. I'd rather go with- in honour of Squidley- Kunt. The "k" at least leaves something to the imagination....
Homo- not sure which would be worse- sitting through the Doodlebops, or sitting through an ass pounding with foreign objects.
Judging from previous posts, I'm guessing Homo distinctly prefers Canadian-born objects over foreign ones.
Ha! Not true- from what I know he is quite fond of Europeans and Aussies- to name but a few.
Chucker- tune in tomorrow- I plan to mention you in my post!
Update on those Agoravox people- they sent me an e-mail today saying their editorial team loved this post, and they published it, even though I didn't submit it.
Go figure...Europeans.
I think you should all be very happy that the Spice Girls are dead. Because a year or so of that crap can make you very crazy.
Judging from this thread, perhaps you have older children?
Being a a huge fan of Rush and the like, and also play numerous instruments, I have a tough time finding the actual "music" lately....
Candace, I love to hum a few bars to Spice Up Your Life to my daughter, the ex-Spice tween. I'll never let her live that one down. I think when she yells "omigod, mom you're NOT funny" she is secretly laughing inside.
Looks like lots of musician types somehow ended up here. I like it, being an ex-spandex and final net vet mahself.
Candace/Pam: The cheesiest I got in my youth was secretly liking the Bay City Rollers. But they would have never ended up on my wall next to Gene Simmons!!!
S-A-TUR-DAY NIGHT! It was a little catchy, I have to admit.
Catchy like ... herpes.
Catchy like....Bye Bye Mon Cowboy..I've been singing that for a week. Thanks.
K-Dough,
you thought I wouldn't come by otherwise?
Pam- lol... it was a pretty cool tune. Even though I was into hard core metal at the time, I loved it. The video didn't hurt either.
Chucker- I just wanted to give yo a heads up. It should be posted soon!
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