What kind of person...
What kind of human being do you have to be to stand by and watch casually as a mob of teens beat and stab another kid until he is naked and bleeds to death and dies? A stupid, sheepish, cowardly fucking idiot. What is wrong with these humans? They make excuses: 'You have to live here to understand. This happens all the time. It didn't seem that bad'.
No one even bothered to call the police. That kid was someone's child. You don't live in a Third World nation. Blaming violence on the government, police or socio-economics is a cop out. Take responsibility for your own community for fuck's sake. It's a reflection of what you are. You own it and the blood is on your hands.
I'm really sick of this shit.
No one even bothered to call the police. That kid was someone's child. You don't live in a Third World nation. Blaming violence on the government, police or socio-economics is a cop out. Take responsibility for your own community for fuck's sake. It's a reflection of what you are. You own it and the blood is on your hands.
I'm really sick of this shit.
posted by K-Dough at 9:58 AM
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Some People are just plain stupid.
Understatement.
It's terrible. That blood is on many hands. It's on the hands of the kids that commited the crime, the parents that raised those kids, the people that heard the child screaming and anyone who saw and didn't speak out. I've tried to teach my children to speak up for any other child, even if they are the only one to do so. It's everyone's responsiblity.
What is sickening as well, is that our police chief Bill Blair and mayor David Miller say they don't want the Guardian Angels patrolling here. I'm sorry, but at this point we need community involvement and action.
Call it vigilanteeism, or what you like. If that had been my street I would've been out there with a baseball bat swinging at knees and defending that kid's young life.
This is news of doom. A clear indication that the world gets worse every day.
Maybe we should throw in the towel and start again.
On second thought... let's not even bother starting again. We'll just fuck it up a second time.
Let's just call it quits. And when the annihalation begins, let's start with Flemingdon Park.
Harding: I have to say that I still have faith in humanity. I still have faith in my city and the people who live here. But you are right- we are slipping.
Righting socio-economic inequities is a tough mountain to climb. Teaching kids to value human life isn't. But we need to care at least enough to call the fucking police when one of them is getting their brains splattered on the sidewalk.
Do what I do K-dough, blame the John Howard Society and Trudeau's Liberals for the Young Offenders Act.
Before it came along nothing like this ever happened.
JC: Well, at least we agree on the YOA. It's destroyed a community's ability to effectively and proactively police itself. It's also destroyed any sense of accountability of youth for their actions. It doesn't protect youth; it endangers them and the rest of society.
If the coppers had've respected my youthful rights when I got into trouble (before the YOA), instead of throwing me around the cop shop shop like they did (and then releasing me uncharged for weapons posession) I might have turned into a selfish teen killer too.
JC- I'd trash that contact info you left over at CC's. Or ask CC to do it for you if you can't. You never know what kind of a nut case is going to do what with it!!!!!
You are referring to CC's readers, and not your own, of course. Ahem.
joe c. take kd's advice and get rid of that info on cc's site, there's waaaaaay tooooooo many nut jobs cruisin thru these blogs
Speaking of readers- where ya bin Pammiekins?
I don't know how to delete a comment
CC is able to delete comments from his blog. Send him an e-mail from the account in his profile.
What have I been up to? Ah, just stalking people I've met on the internet...you know, the usual.
So are we suggesting that the police aren't doing an effective job? Isn't that a bit harsh?
They're dealing with sh*t that you and I don't want to see or discuss every day of the week. They're on the front line and I support them in most every circumstance.
Should this victim be disadvantaged by the locale in which he lives, then that isn't a reflection upon the police. It's the geography in which he lives. In that case, we should be reprimanding the scum that live in that area.
In that instance, we should be scapegoating the area vs. the situation. However, as K-Dough mentions, do we blame it on the socio-economic factor? or do we blame it on the actual circumstance into which the crime is committed?
I'm not sure... and to be honest,... I'm glad I don't know.
But shouldn't the police have more presence in these areas? I think so. Higher violent crime should = higher policing. But suggesting that the residents of that area are scum is a little harsh.I certainly have some strong opinions about anyone who might witness a violent crime and stay silent, but I wouldn't suggest that anyone in that area is "scum". I don't like to see that socio-economic card played, but it does have an impact on the level of violent crime and lack of respect for human life, unfortunately. It's not an excuse but I think we all accept that it is a fact.
Noel: I think you and your bro Liam may want to lay off the pipe for a bit. It's affecting your perceptory functions.
Where did anyone say that the police aren't doing their jobs? Nowhere. That's where.
Late to the funeral. What a horrendous story, right across the street from the Science Centre where I take my kids all the time, and we walk through the parks there afterward.
Nobody expects anyone to physically intervene when there's a mob with weapons, but Jesus Christ...CALL FUCKING 911..I've done it before...it's really easy, and really anonymous, and the cops come RIGHT AWAY, and that kid would be alive. I hope those idiots enjoy living with themselves.
I agree with K-Dough 100% on this one. I understand that socio-economic circumstances may feed a distrust or fear of police. But really people, take some responsibility here. I personally don't particularly love the police but I'll call them in a second if there's an issue in my neighbourhood. It's about taking responsibility for your community and if you don't do so, you are partially responsible for its degradation. I too am shocked that the mayor and police chief don't support the Guardian Angels and I have yet to see any tangible argument made against them, aside from labelling them vigilantes. Well pardon me, but if a group of middle-aged guys walking around in funny berets and stopping crime is called vigilantism, count me in.
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While I'm not intimately familiar with the story, it all sounds a great deal like Kitty Genovese Syndrome to me - I'm pretty floored that it's happened here in 2006, that was, what, 40 years ago? Exact same story, make Genovese a younger man, and move it up north - presto.
I've read several theories on Genovese Syndrome - the old idea, that living in a city desensitized one to violence such that one could look on while a person was stripped and killed and do nothing, never seemed appropriate to me. I live in a city - I call 911 once a year, on average. The newest theory I'm aware of makes the most, to me, sense:
In a large group of onlookers witnessing a crime, everyone quickly (and naturally) assumes that 911 has already been notified and that help is on its way, even as they watch.
This has happened to me before - I don't carry a cellphone, and have more than once found myself paused - should I run to a payphone (which aren't easy to find anymore), or is someone else already calling, and I'm better to stay where I am? I've watched 4 people call 911 for the exact same incident before.
In 1960s New York City, everyone on the street believed that someone in an overlooking apartment (which were easily seen to be full of onlookers) had already called 911, so none of them called - they stood anxiously waiting for police to arrive, until it was too late. Everyone in the overlooking apartments believed that someone in another overlooking apartment (which they, too, could easily see were packed with people watching) had already called 911, so none of them called - they watched anxiously waiting, too.
Kitty Genovese, I think, was actually put through worse while dozens watched. They all meant well.
The problem here is the killers.
(And, obviously, anyone who knows who the killers are, but say nothing)
I couldn't access the link, but I found one to the same story (not sure if it's the same article) on MillerWatch.
News of the beating spread quickly as neighbours went door to door to warn each other that they should bring their children inside and lock their doors - but no one called the police.
Exactly - by the time they heard the warning to bring their kids in, they assume that 911 has been notified already.
One man, who was walking by, saw the fight and pulled out his cellphone to call 911, but several of the assailants threatened him so he put his phone away and went home.
The Star should turn this man into the police - this guy should be charged. I don't begrudge him his actions at the scene, vs. 15 people, but couldn't he have pulled his phone out again when he was around the corner? No excuses for this schmoe.
(Granted, it's possible that he may have assumed someone else would have called by the time he was out of sight)
As the woman left her apartment about 8:30 p.m., she noticed that the teen was standing alone away from the group in his underwear. He did not appear in distress.
"He looked like he was composing himself. I don't know why he didn't just run away if he wasn't okay," she said.
This woman needs to be slapped. A teen standing in his underwear around 15 other teens may not be in imminent distress, but - even if it's just a "hazing", the police should be intervening, if she's not willing to.
Churcher said the Flemingdon Park area is no more dangerous than other parts of the city and suggested that violence is often correlated with rising temperatures.
Um, okayyy... so why don't we build a giant heatshield for the city? What a twit.
An elderly woman who refused to give her name had another theory.
"We have to live here - that's why nobody ever sees anything.... No one wants to get shot for something they weren't part of," she said. "And people may not understand that, but it's because they don't live here."
Yup, this is where the city and the police have colossally fumbled the ball.
(For starters, if that's how this woman feels, then the area is clearly more dangerous than other areas.)
The police have not effectively made themselves open and friendly to the public. They can't be blamed for a bunch of degenerates killing each other, but they are to blame for not creating trust between themselves and more of the public. I've said it before - here goes again. Get the police OFF of horsey-patrol on the Harbourfront and CNE grounds, like, tomorrow, and off of bike patrol on King West and Liberty Village, and put them in areas that are more, you know, troubled. Car patrols won't work: horse, foot, and bike patrols are the way to go.
Holy cow, I worked my ASS off on those comments yesterday - where is everybody?
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