Monday, May 15, 2006

He's a New World Man

A few comments on my last post touched off a spark of urban versus suburban animosity. Having spent most of my Mothers Day weekend among the mass-fabbed row by rows of uniform mediocrity, I have a few observations.

I, myself, am a self-admitted urban elite snob. I adore the fact that I can step out my front door and instantly be connected with diverse food, culture, transit, community spirit, recreation and arts. I love that I can stroll along the bustling avenue and be greeted by store owners and restaurateurs who know me by name. Conversely, I love being able to disappear into a crowd of commuters or melt in to a shuffle of downtown hoods with my tunes blasting and a good book.

I grew up in the burbs. They were lifeless, dull, dreary and devoid of culture. The only way to kill my need for more was to get drunk and stoned, fuck and fight. It was not such a bad existence for some, but it was not nearly enough for me.

Now, things have changed: I have a daughter. Although I want her to experience all that this great city has to offer, sometimes I think about the physical size of our grossly over-valued century home and am tempted by the fact that the suburbs offer much, much more more for way less. But in the end, I always come back to the cultural allure. Do I want my daughter to grow up thinking the big box mall is the centre of her cultural life? No. Do I want her to be forced to drive the family's third car at 16 to her ethnically homogenous high school everyday? Nope. Do I want her to think that East Side Mario's is the epitome of ethnic cuisine? Un uh.

I know that we all think our own little weltanschaung is the correct view of the world. But in a country that boasts to be multi-ethnic, I can think of no better place to be than in the centre of a vibrant concrete jungle that hosts such a wonderfully diverse human eco-system.

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74 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Happy Monday.

I grew up and live in the suburbs.

I live in a 3500 sq foot house that looks identical to my neigbours.

My daughter just got her G2 and we need a 3rd car so she can get to school.

My hockey team lost on Saturday night and is out of the play-offs.


Does anyone have a gun?

10:25 AM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger K-Dough said...

Pam: Sorry to hear about the poor Sens choking once again. What will it take???? I feel sorry for fans like you because, while the season was stunning, the playoffs were stunned.

10:41 AM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Leatherhands said...

Very interesting post, Mighty K.
I have mixed feelings/experiences.
I think my conclusion is that a mixture of the two worlds might be ideal.
I grew up in the suburbs, only a GO bus ride away to Finch, so I didn't experience the total frustration of white-bread isolationism. (My whole world was my stereo and my goalie pads, so not experiencing Tandoori chicken was not particularly devastating for me at that point.)
I spent most of my adult life in the T dot in various divey apartments and/or magazine quality condos (depending on the financial situation of the day)and each situation had it's perks and minuses.
I love my current situation (small old century house in historic Newmarket) with a daily commute (with my compact, fuel efficient car, Homo..)into the big city through long stretches of hilly country roads...but the Leggo tm houses are popping up everywhere.
There's my big problem. You can take a beautiful country drive to Anywhere Ontario, and the outskirts of whatever historic town you approach are usually marred by an onslaught of those garage/foyer monstosities so aptly described by Homo in the last post.
It's a very common sight to see a beautiful old house on blocks (hopefully on it's way to be preserved somewhere) with a "Notice- Proposal for Zoning Change" sign in the foreground, and the looming sihouette of eerie Ray Bradbury-esque Leggo houses spreading across the vast land like a virus, with of course, not a fucking tree in sight.
The problem is that there are line-ups of people ready to buy them.
They're even built like crap too..I just don't get it.

10:48 AM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Leatherhands said...

Poor Pam, I don't know how to cheer you up. Wait a sec....Becel has a new margarine made with olive oil!

10:50 AM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LMAO leather.

I don't live in one of those pre-fab subdivisions. We lived in one years ago and thought it was great in the beginning. It took a few months to really understand what it means to not own a tree. We decided we didn't have 50 years to wait for a tree so we sold that house and moved.We live in more of a neighhourhood now where my son can play road hockey without being charged.I can hang my laundry on a clothes line and not have my neighbours call the by-law officer. (Okay, I don't own a clothes line and wouldn't use it anyway, but I'm just saying). It wouldn't be my first choice but I have kids and it seems like a good compromise.

11:02 AM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger K-Dough said...

leather- I hear ya. My beef is not with small town Ontario, or small town rural anywhere in Canada.

My beef is with urban sprawl and the populous therein that fuel the monstrous wasteful consumption that is destroying the Western world culturally, ecologically and politically. I despise it.

11:02 AM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was raised in SmallTown Ontario and have since moved to live in urban Toronto. I've been exposed to the best of both worlds and appreciate the wealth of experiences. I've worked up north in the wilderness forests and have also drank martinis with business owners in Yorkville.

At some point I may move out of the city for a variety of reasons (safety being of utmost concern) but for the time being, downtown Toronto fits.

Urban sprawl is occuring and if people are going to pay for it, then they'll keep building the houses.

11:25 AM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Leatherhands said...

BTW K, when I saw the title of your post, I thought it was another song lyric thread. I'm totally tapped out dude..

11:34 AM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger K-Dough said...

That's the problem with you percussionists- always tapping. Tap tap tap. I foot drum constantly and it drives my wife nuts!

11:38 AM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Leatherhands said...

Pam,
Sounds like a good situation you've got there.....kids are very adaptable regardless. I have a couple of friends with Leggo houses, and aside from the wrist-slitting aesthetic of the neighbourhood, you can instantly tell that the build quality is poor. The floor boards feel thin and cheap, none of the outside stuff (porches, fence, etc.) is built to last...it's all cosmetic. I'll take my crooked floors and occasional mouse problems any day; I shudder to see what THOSE houses will look like in a hundred years.

11:42 AM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People who live in the suburbs eat curry, too. We might have to drive a little in our gas-guzzling SUVs.

11:58 AM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Leatherhands said...

Not that I'm a memnber of the Newmarket Chamber of Commerce, but we actually have a Vietnamese restaurant, a Thai place as good as any I've eaten at in the city, and many authntic Japanese and Chinese etc.
If only the general populace would stop cutting their hair at SuperClips, it might actually be a cool place to hang out.

12:01 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Sheena said...

Weird thing is that I feel safer in an apartment in a big city than venturing down a half deserted poorly lit no-sidewalked suburban sprawling crescent or cul-de-sac or whatever else you call those things.

I hate not being able to walk for a coffee or have a stumbling distance pub. I've seen more coke head teens in Kanata than in Centretown.

Never would have re-located to Toronto if suburb close to work was an option on the table.

12:11 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Leatherhands said...

Sheena, good point. Ever notice that whenever there's a story about a home invasion, it's on one of those suburban cul-de-sacs?

12:18 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Joe Calgary said...

If it wasn't for suburbia K-Dough... who'd grow my weed?

12:34 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger K-Dough said...

Joe- that is true. If it weren't for affordable subdivisions there would be no grow ops, Avril Lavigne fans or myspace profiles.

1:10 PM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

K-Dough, I grew up on a 640-acre mixed farm operation and could not wait to move into the city. I live in the heart of the city, close to all amenities. I could never live in the burbs because it lacks the sense of community that I grew up with and now enjoy. And I'm a parent of two teens who have known nothing other than inner-city life. We've encouraged them in both arts and sports and they're both having successes. The only other place they seem to want to live is at the beach!

1:54 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Leatherhands said...

Grocery chains have the power; farmers have shit.

2:19 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger K-Dough said...

I would applaud your move to the farming community MS. Takes more balls to seed a field than going to seed and vaguely feeling your brain rotting away in in-between land.

2:21 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Joe Calgary said...

Prices on houses in the burbs are so expensive in Calgary right now, it takes 2 crops out of a 2500 square foot house, or 6 months, instead of the usual 1 crop and 3 months to pay for the house.

At this rate, the price is bound to go up.

My god, that's it!!! Call up Bush, I've just discovered the answer to controlling the import of weed to the US. All the Americans have to do is hyperinflate the cost of a house in the burbs in the major cities in Canada, and they can eliminate the pot industry.

2:23 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Joe Calgary said...

Wait a minute... Housing in Calgary is getting pricy... we grow some of the best bud in the world for US consumption... Bush is fighting a war on drugs.

Something smells fishy here.

2:24 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger K-Dough said...

JC- funny shit! I've heard a lot recently about the ridiculous costs of suburban Calgary homes from a friend who is moving back there next month.

He was born and bred in Calgary, but is lamenting having to leave what he fears are much cooler neighbourhoods in T.O.

2:27 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Leatherhands said...

JC, I thought you were onto something there...but then I did a quick pinner and became fascinated with a new potential office arrangement. Initiative fading...

2:29 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger K-Dough said...

leatherhands is a perfect example of why Ontarians are the sturdy wheels on the economic engine of this country.

2:32 PM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want to work in leather's office.

2:37 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Joe Calgary said...

Bought my home 10 years ago for 125K... the next door neighbor just listed at $410K.

Between the oilpatch, and the real estate in Calgary, I've just about pulled that 10 foot cucumber that got shoved up my ass by the dot.com days, out.

Mexico, thy name is "Beach, Booze, and (place "B" word of your choice here)

2:46 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger K-Dough said...

Banana boats!

2:47 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Joe Calgary said...

Leatherhands... I know what you mean. Try a game I play every 6 months, called "Everyone move your office" day... after the pinner is done.

I love it, but the staff hate me.

2:48 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Joe Calgary said...

K-dough, isn't that the proposed name of the impending new Mexico City NFL expansion team?

2:50 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Joe Calgary said...

Living in Calgary is alright. Calgary is very safe, very clean, very new, very well located in relation to the mountains.

It will never have the Big City feel of TO, or Montreal. Culture is starting to catch up, but still behind.

It's also dry as hell and the nearest decent lake is 3 hours away. Traffic sucks, but name a big city that doesn't have traffic problems.

But the sking man... you can't beat it.

2:55 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Joe Calgary said...

and if you stay stoned enough, you really don't care.

2:56 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger K-Dough said...

Nope. That's the
Fighting Burritos. Or is it the Belly Bucking Burros? I can't remember. What were we talking about again? I'm goin' to get a cheeseburger. Mmmmmmmm cheeese- burg- er....

2:56 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Sheena said...

Mexican Minutemen? I heard they're playing in one of the empty bull-fighting rings now that it's politically incorrect. Whole new reason not to go offside though...

3:01 PM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You going to McDonald's, K? Or are you going to some uber-hip downtown T.O. burger place that can out grill any suburban burger joint?

3:02 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger K-Dough said...

Pam- what are you talking about? I'm not gonna....ummmm, hold on. What's that on my chin? Ketchup?
Did I eat something? ha ha ha ha ha ha...ummmm, I'll be back in a minute.

3:06 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Joe Calgary said...

Playing in a bull-fighting arena... I'll bet the center gets a hell of a pay raise. Where's bugs bunny when you need him.

3:08 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger K-Dough said...

Abra-ca-pocus. Pocus-ca-dabra.

3:19 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Leatherhands said...

...if the desk was here, I could keep an eye on the new guy, but I'd have a bit of screen glare...and these divider wall scratches would be far more prominent...let's go with the original plan of...oh, it's quitting time...

3:34 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Leatherhands said...

Pam,
Burgers are like Cappucino...once I started making my own, no restaurants would do.

3:41 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Joe Calgary said...

Burgers are like Cappucino??? Great, now we'll have to listen to KD Lang lecture us on the evils done to coffee beans.

4:07 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Sheena said...

Juan Valdez as Doctor Mengele...

4:27 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Leatherhands said...

JC, I do have a constant craving for Cappucino. (Insert rim shot here.)

4:31 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Unknown said...

I think the city/urban thing can also be a matter of temperament. I realized years ago that I am a total mid-city slicker, and would go absolutely stark raving bonkers living farther out, whether in the extended burbs or in a small town.

That wouldn't mean inner city living is "better," it just means it's better for ME.

When I moved from Calgary to Toronto 6 years ago, though, I discovered that I do really enjoy the busy-ness and the cultural mix here. I can't imagine living anywhere else now.

4:52 PM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOL leather..please don't send us back to another lyrics thread.

Do you make your own cappucino? I HAD to have a cappucino machine a few years ago. I think I've used it twice and both times it was just to froth milk. I'll have to dust it off and ....ah, fuck it. That's what Starbucks is for.

4:53 PM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

K-Dough,
On Mother's Day we sat on the North deck and ate Bar-B-Q'd everything until our seams busted. The aspen leaves whispered in the light breeze and brought with it the smell of horse and cow shit from the corrals. The calves and colts frollicked in the nearby pasture while the fucking cows broke the goddamm fence to get at the green shoots on the other side of a 4 strand barbed wire fence. Try bending over to staple on a wire with a gut full of BBQ and Screech. Cows are like women... always figger there's something better on the other side of the fence. So much for Mother's Day! Still, I wouldn't trade country living for any concrete jungle. Where else can your woman watch a stud service a mare and say, Compared to you, honey, I feel sorry for that stud.
Ain't life grand!

5:02 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Joe Calgary said...

Commercializing coffee... who'd a thunk it.

Starbucks,
Tim Hortons,
Seattle Best,

Oh wait... everyone.

I dunno, there's something about being whacked $4.50 for a cup of coffee with a name I can't pronounce in a cup size I couldn't give a shit about. Venti Mocha blah blah blah...

Just give me a large fucking coffee with cream. What the hell is so hard about that.

5:04 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Joe Calgary said...

hmmm... I seem a little stressed today. Okay, make it a tea.

5:05 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Joe Calgary said...

Would one of you people from TO, please go over to the exchange and give the guy pushing the "sell" button, a kick in the head.

5:08 PM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They are all stoned, Joe. That's what them city guys do in them offices all afternoon.

5:11 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Joe Calgary said...

Hey... my broker sent me a joke today:

A woman went to a K-Mart service counter and told the clerk she wanted a refund for the toaster she bought because it won't work. The clerk told her that he can't give her a refund because she bought it on special.

Suddenly, the woman threw her arms up in the air and started screaming,

"PINCH MY NIPPLES,
PINCH MY NIPPLES,
PINCH MY NIPPLES!!!!!!"

The befuddled clerk ran away to get the store manager in front of a growing crowd of customers.

The manager comes to the woman and asks,"Ma'am what's wrong?"

She explained the problem with the toaster, and he also told her that
he can't give her a refund because she bought it on special.

Once again, the woman throws her arms up in the air and screamed,

"PINCH MY NIPPLES,
PINCH MY NIPPLES,
PINCH MY NIPPLES!!!"
and doing so draws an even bigger crowd!

In shock, the store manager pleads,
"Ma'am, why are you saying that?"

In a huff, the woman says,

"BECAUSE, I LIKE TO HAVE
MY NIPPLES PINCHED
WHEN I'M BEING SCREWED!!"

The crowd broke into applause and her money was quickly refunded!!

Oh man... my broker is so fired.

5:19 PM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

mark something: "REtorical query:

who the hell is going to grow all the food we consume if everyone is moving to the city. That is just as bad as becoming a cashless society!"

Here's another one: Where the hell are we as a society going to grow our food if we keep paving over our best agricultural lands to put up strip malls and pie-shaped lots?

Oh, wait, we'll "outsource" that to poor countries who'll cut down the remaining rainforests, who'll use pesticides to grow our food that we banned years ago, thereby poisoning ourselves, and then we'll expend yet more vast quantities of fossil fuels to ship their food to our tables.

Or, we could build more apartments and fewer monster homes and keep our prime agricultural lands in tact for the ecological and economic benefits they give us as a society.

6:20 PM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow! I'm staying in Cornwall.

7:21 PM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do they grow them funny little cabbages in Cornwall?

7:34 PM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

homo,

I live in a monster home but I have a litter of kids, and they each have 2 friends here at all times.I can have 8 kids in this house at any given time. Does that make it less of a sin? What about a 4 cylinder SUV? I'm feeling like an energy ho today.

9:04 PM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pam, in my mind's eye, you are beautiful. I could forgive you anything.

9:34 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Sheena said...

Obviously Pam does not live in Kanata...

9:48 PM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sheena,
I go to Kanata for hockey and waves..that's it.Oh, and Baton Rouge.

leather,
thanks for the head's up.I have a herd of young boys hanging around my house/yard but they are a little young for that sort of thing right now.They are more interested in hockey than bras for the moment.

10:02 PM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pam, some of them remain more interested in hockey than bras too!

10:28 PM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

homo,

And that's fine with me. If those little boys like jocks more than thongs, they can count on this mom to love them just the same.

10:41 PM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

none of my business pam, but what's your cup size?

10:41 PM, May 15, 2006  
Blogger Sheena said...

Pam:
I usually go to Baton Rouge for Baton Rouge. Had that crazy ass mayor down there at my table for lunch one day. Talk about crabby cakes, man.

11:37 PM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're a good mom, Pam. Happy belated Mother's Day!

11:52 PM, May 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

cup size,

I rarely play hockey and when I do, I never wear a cup.I like to live on the edge...

homo,

thank you.I had a great Mother's Day.

7:00 AM, May 16, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

good one pam - lol

7:36 AM, May 16, 2006  
Blogger K-Dough said...

Pam- you are one funny chickadee!

7:55 AM, May 16, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

K-Dough, I love living in Toronto because just as you said all i have to do is step outside and I witness the world within a city. I love taking the subway during rush hour because when I am feeling lazy, looking at all the people during rush hour who are going to work or home gives me a boost of energy because it motivates me. I have never lived in the suburban areas so I don't know what it is like out there but family frineds who live in the suburbs usually come to toronto for shopping, dining and many other things because of all the options available.

12:01 PM, May 16, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But squid, what about tandoori chicken?

(I can't wait for this reply)

6:50 PM, May 16, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pam,
I love the taste of tandoori chicken, but compared to the taste of cowgirl pussy.... I prefer the latter.And one doesn't necessarily have to go to the big city for pussy while the spices that go into tandoori chicken and the expertise to blend them, may not be readily available in smaller places. But cowgirl pussy, especially one that been snuggled up to a hot saddle all day,is available in big cities only at Stampede time. That's one of the main reasons I prefer being in the sticks where the availability of cowgirl pussy is not a major drawback.

8:12 PM, May 16, 2006  
Blogger K-Dough said...

Squid said "Fuck Toronto". I just have to say I've honestly tried- it ain't that easy. A lot more people here than Armpit, Alberta.

8:15 PM, May 16, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, boys, what can I say? I am speechless.

K-dough, you are so full of shit. I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU. You are from Toronto. You wouldn't know a sheep if you tripped over one on the TTC on your way to meet leatherhands for tandoori chicken (which I despise, by the way).

9:15 PM, May 16, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it was a goat

9:51 PM, May 16, 2006  
Blogger K-Dough said...

mmmmm tandoori goat!!!!!!

10:06 PM, May 16, 2006  
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