Do Psycho Groupies Read Newspapers?
Apparently not. Judging from Ashley Harrison's myspace page (if that is indeed the infamous Ashley) she has no clue that her e-mails to one of Canada's most read columnists were publicized yesterday. Who can blame her though- with all the crap on TV that needs watching and the countless line of black-lipsticked necrophiliac vampire guys that need flirting with online. I think that one of you - the sensible public - should take it upon yourselves to find her page, cut and paste her publicly available e-mail address in to an e-mail and let her know what a flap her teen tard comments have caused. You know, give her a chance to defend or explain herself. A friend of mine let Rosie DiManno know yesterday, but has heard not a peep back fom her yet.
I want to run something by y'all and see what you think. Ashley has a graphic posted on her page which reads: 4-20 Remember the Real Victims. The date 4-20 refers to the date of the Columbine massacre and the graphic contains the pictures of the two teen monster killers and a rose. It is a tribute to the psycho-geeks who killed all those innocent victims and destroyed so many of the survivors' lives. Under the graphic, Ashley wrote this:
"R.I.P. Kimveer Gill... you fucked up! but there are a few of us out there who understood you, and know you weren't a bad person, you made the most sense out of everything... good people do bad things too."
Is this tolerable free speech? Isn't there something someone somewhere should be doing about this kind of evil crap? How do you reason with such callous ignorance? To me, it indirectly preaches hate and glorifies murder. Is it the same as those empty gansta culture threats or different? To me, it seems conspicuously different. At least rappers have a discernible goal in glorifying violence- ass, money and social injustice. But this is an entirely different twisted mind-set. It's the glorification of the senseless murder of innocent people by immature, morally bankrupt urban white trash kids without consciences. And worse, it is the deification of killers as if they were victims - literally forced to kill because society made their lives too painful. It is the ultimate in childish irresponsiblity, but it is coming from young adults.
Or maybe I'm reading too much into this. Maybe it's just that kids like her thinks it's cool and iconoclastic to play devil's advocate. Maybe they get street cred points for crying a sympathetic black EMO tear for the killers, because well, you know, teen life is hard.
I don't know if you can tell but this shit is really bugging me this week. Though I know its wrong to tar and feather all kids, it makes me want to smack every sullen teen freak I see right in the neck. But as my friend Harding pointed out yesterday, justice is the only way to sort such things out. Violence does not end violence. Damn- when did I get all grown up?
I want to run something by y'all and see what you think. Ashley has a graphic posted on her page which reads: 4-20 Remember the Real Victims. The date 4-20 refers to the date of the Columbine massacre and the graphic contains the pictures of the two teen monster killers and a rose. It is a tribute to the psycho-geeks who killed all those innocent victims and destroyed so many of the survivors' lives. Under the graphic, Ashley wrote this:
"R.I.P. Kimveer Gill... you fucked up! but there are a few of us out there who understood you, and know you weren't a bad person, you made the most sense out of everything... good people do bad things too."
Is this tolerable free speech? Isn't there something someone somewhere should be doing about this kind of evil crap? How do you reason with such callous ignorance? To me, it indirectly preaches hate and glorifies murder. Is it the same as those empty gansta culture threats or different? To me, it seems conspicuously different. At least rappers have a discernible goal in glorifying violence- ass, money and social injustice. But this is an entirely different twisted mind-set. It's the glorification of the senseless murder of innocent people by immature, morally bankrupt urban white trash kids without consciences. And worse, it is the deification of killers as if they were victims - literally forced to kill because society made their lives too painful. It is the ultimate in childish irresponsiblity, but it is coming from young adults.
Or maybe I'm reading too much into this. Maybe it's just that kids like her thinks it's cool and iconoclastic to play devil's advocate. Maybe they get street cred points for crying a sympathetic black EMO tear for the killers, because well, you know, teen life is hard.
I don't know if you can tell but this shit is really bugging me this week. Though I know its wrong to tar and feather all kids, it makes me want to smack every sullen teen freak I see right in the neck. But as my friend Harding pointed out yesterday, justice is the only way to sort such things out. Violence does not end violence. Damn- when did I get all grown up?
posted by K-Dough at 9:35 AM
21 Comments:
K-Dough, you know how I feel about these pathetic little freaks. But...
I think free speech is either tollerable or it isn't. We can't pick and choose who gets to say what, no matter how offensive it is.
Look at it this way, in the case of AH, her comments are out there for the world to see. We can draw our own conclusions about her mental delusions. Her feelings, though depraved, become publicly known, and I would argue this is a safety mechanism. If we prohibited this kind of speech, who knows how many of these loosers would do what K. Gill did?
In her case, with proper attention, perhaps an intervention can be made. If only we'd seen Gill's postings sooner... perhaps... well, that may be another discussion.
Still, I would rather be offended than shot. Words are trivial. But, sticks and stones...
Let them speak, I say. For, if nothing else, we know them for who they are and what they think.
Now, it's up to us to launch a counter-offensive. Challenge, question and ridicule. Respond.
Awake, arise, or forever be fallen.
(Yeah, I know... too much caffeine.)
Sure a lot of those kids are idiots. But they are also troubled. Sometimes extremely so.
If you ask me, an anonymous person on some blog, Kimveers whole blog was a cry for help, acting out in a public way, looking for support that ultimately didn't come.
His blog showed signs (to me) of mental illness (paranoia that cops were watching them, when apparently they weren't etc.)
Kids out there identifying positively with him are also crying out for help.
A lot of these kids who choose goth culture are damaged. Emotionally, physically or sexually abused. In that way it is a refelection of society as a whole.
K-D, I understand your anger, but sometimes too much anger can blind one to the real issues that need to be discussed.
I personally doubt free speech is one.
SCH
K-Dough, I searched for her myspace but I couldn't find it.
It would be foolish to tackle these problems with anger and ridicule alone.
Dismissing these kids feelings as the workings of 'morally bankrupt urban white trash kids' is quite ignorant.
If ya don't know how a clock ticks, don't chalk it up to sorcery.
I'd say that is part of the problem.
Not that Im a coddler, but some of these people are legitimately damaged by means outside of their own control. Making listening and understanding their emotions correctly and as someone else here said, responding to them, the most important thing.
SCH
The anonymous commenter above should copyright the name "Anonymous", and be the only one allowed to use that I.D. He (or she), sums up the crux of blog discussion on world issues...
"If you ask me, an anonymous person on some blog..."
*lol*
SCH- I'm not blindly venting anger, but also reflecting on the emotion and philosophical confusion caused by such brutal murders and the idiots who idolize killers.
I think there has been a very dangerous trend in western society over the past 20 years to apologize for criminal activity perpetrated by children. It minimizes the idea of personal responsibility. It also minimizes the causal role of adults in their actions. By focussing on the disturbed child, the adult also obscures their own role. All of a sudden, no one is at fault- it's just a tragic misunderstanding.
That kind of feel good crap has put us where we are now.
Manson's kids were strung out on chemicals and cultish brainwashing. These kids are strung out on the internet- another false sense of reality. What else would cause them to flaunt the memory of killers as victims?
If you don't think that is a valid path of inquiry here, then what is?
I don't think these kids are crying out for help. I think they are crying out for discipline, order and a smack (figurative or not) in the fucking head.
The internet, by virtue of its nature as a technology, eliminates traditional boundaries of time and space- and the reality that it conjures is devoid of physical consequences. Throw a fucked up teen mind into that melange of virtual existence and you are merely begging for serious trouble.
SCH: by the way- you said "some of these kids are legitimately damaged by means outside of their own control."
Aren't we all? Isn't that part of being human? Besides, no one has a monopoly on pain. Do you think kids in Iraq who witness their parents bloody deaths are randomly and senselessly shooting up schools?
No. People who do that are motivated by complex misdirection that only a life of relative leisure and coddling can offer.
J Dog,
Im 30+ something straight male who when he was 14 loved the Bauhaus. I thought Peter Murphy was and is sexy. And plus Bela Lugosi is Dead is one of the funniest songs ever written.
Anyways, I know goth. And know goths. Part of the fun is the silliness, coupled with bleakness.
I'm not saying have sympathy, just understanding.
The killers aren't victims. They are symptoms.
As for myself being poor urban white trash, well, as is the case with the blogosphere, we all can't be born into 60 000+ a year single income families.
I have never been morally bankrupt, proudly. Thank you very mush.
BTW I was rural goth teenager. Who ultimately realized that blood made me queasy. So I prefered werewolves (until Michael Jackson dirtied them up with pedofilia).
I am glad you guys are discussing this, I didn't mean to disregard this and apologize for being aggressive.
Peace Out,
SCH
Amen on the "monopoly on pain" thing, K-Dough. I had one of the worst years of my life in '03. Almost brought me to the point of contemplating suicide. I was in shock, walking through my life in a transe. It's three years later and I'm nearly recovered. The point? When you're in real pain, when you're just trying to make sense of your existence, you don't think about shooting up schools and killing people. You are trying to understand yourself again. Everyone goes through that at least once in their lives.
I recounted this story yesterday with a client who's husband of five years suddenly had an affair and left...no warning, no signs, nothing. There she was at the job site with me, looking after her obligations with that glassy look in her eye I can remember so well, and ducking out of sight every now and then so I wouldn't see her crying.
The world is filled with walking wounded. There's no "us" and "them." Sorry pyscho kids, I'm not buying the pain thing.
SCH: Thanks for qualifying your comments. I don't think anyone here is anti-goth, anti-kid or anti-debate.
I was a fucked up urban headbanger in the 80s and indeed did have an extended period of lapsed morality-well, maybe not morality- because I think morality is subjective- but let's just say I didn't give a shit what grief my harmful actions caused others.
But this shit is entirely different. I hung with the hard core. I know the hard core. I am still hard core. These people are not hard core. They don't seem to believe in anything. They are vaccuous.
Hard core is merely a fashion to these punks. But piercings and tats don't make you hard core. Having the strength to do what is right and executing your personal freedom makes you hard core.
For instance, speaking out against and doing something about bullying makes someone hard core. Killing innocent people because you are too cowardly and passive to do anything about the problem makes someone a loser. Plain and simple. No counselling, coddling or help can make someone a winner. It comes from within.
It's called conviction, personal strength and balls. These idiots have none. And don't tell me an 18 year is not capable or aware. That is just cop-out bullshite.
Leatherhands,
Ive had more than a few bad years myself, in adolescence and adulthood. Nor have I ever considered homicide. Barely even suicide. We learn to deal.
I consider myself lucky in that I took refuge in community who helped me cope. Did you have the same?
This is what bugs me the most about the incident outside the coldhearted murder and violence. That the goth community failed to recognize the obvious threat K. G. (I hate typing his name) posed. I seen his blog in it entirety afterwards, and the signs of trouble were obvious and you could see the hate and irrationality progressing from the beginning to end. He had regular readers, most from Europe.
Healthy communities self-regulate.
But still. Modern day goths have some serious reflection to do for sure.
Your title asks, "Do Psycho Groupies Read Newspapers?" I'd say yes. And lets face it, violence has at least the appearance of being accelerated all around us if you pay attention any mass media at all.
Thats where I have trouble understanding the dark younguns' these days. The world I came into didn't seem as violent maybe.
Anyways, Ive got to go shave my back.
SCH
Many of us have had terrible things happen at some time in our lives, things that bring us to our knees. Most of us don't have thoughts of shooting up schools or hurting anyone but ourselves. Our kids will all live through pain, because we all HAVE to, in order to learn and develop strength of character.I think it's our job to give our kids the tools to deal with it when it happens, and remind them that things do get better. Don't forget that there really are some great 18 yr olds out there. They are out volunteering, tutoring, maybe sneaking a few beers every now and then but doing GOOD things in our communities. I don't think the goths and the emos are the norm.
Pam - I have to say that I think that there are some very fine goths and EMO kids out there doing the good things as well.
As parents, we teach them, love and care for them. That's our job. Unfortunately, there are too many derelict parents out there as well. But if your kid is that broken, and you say "we never knew anything was wrong" like Gill's parents did- you are fucked.
I know he was 25, but for all intents and purposes he was an immature kid living in his parent's house.
K-Dough,
I think what you've said is very important.
You may have heard about a copy cat incident in Hudson (Jack Layton MTL childhood exurbia). The kid made death threats on Vampire Goths.com - now in jail pending bail hearing.
Bail hearing was today. But the judge couldn't rule because his parents couldn't be reached to have them show up in court. Judge can't figure if he's returning the child to responsible parents - so bail hearing postponed and a summons is sent.
The defense lawyer says in 15 years, she's never been in a situation like this.
To your point: not only the personal responsibility dimension gets trivialized, but the role of adults (esp. parents) gets ignored.
But hey, as a right-wing lunatic, its not immediate for me to want to ban free speech anymore than he have. Maybe it would be interesting to see how indiscriminate hate speech gets treated under our hate speech laws.
CC- you're such an extremist. Why can't you be more left like me? LMAO
two questions and NO PEAKING ALLOWED, non, totally nada...this is a 'be strictly honest thing.
1. what is the name of the guy who shot people at dawson?
2. what is the name of the woman who died as a result of the dawson killers bullits?
NO CHEATING! be honest, please.
Easy.
Answers.
1) An insignificant, worthless piece of human offal.
2) Anastasia De Souza
good, that's 1 point for k-dough.
tell me about anastasia's life. no peaking.
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shut off the internet. don't let anyone under 25 years old post or read anything objectionable. that way there won't be any teen malcontents.
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